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cotegr - 27.10.2006, 23:34 Uhr
Titel: Missing Kmail after new install
I'm new to the list as of today and am new to Kanotix and Debian as well.
I've just installed Kanotix-64-2005-04-LITE after previously using
Knoppix3.6. On the latter I found and used Kmail.
But on Kanotix,I looked under the K menu, found Thunderbird but no Kmail.
I checked the packages and searched for KDEPIM
which includes Kmail but still can't find it.
Tried using the KDE package manager, looked under
"Installed" and "Updated" and still can't find it.
So, off I went ta a mirror of KDE.org, downloaded
kdepim-3.4.3.tar.bz2 to my desktop. How should I install it.
Thanks for any help
John - 28.10.2006, 08:24 Uhr
Titel: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
welcome to the forum.
you should take the 2006-01-RC4, it will cause less pain when you're trying to install somethin.
to install programms in debian do as root
apt-get update
apt-get install programmname e.g. apt-get install kmail
John - 28.10.2006, 08:25 Uhr
Titel: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
perhaps ypu should try snyaptic as a gui for apt-get
apt-get install synaptic
cotegr - 28.10.2006, 18:55 Uhr
Titel: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
John hat folgendes geschrieben::
perhaps ypu should try snyaptic as a gui for apt-get
apt-get install synaptic
Hi John,
Thanks for the welcome.
In your first message:
Regarding package 2006-01-RC4, this isn't identified as the 64bit package.
Also, I always install as root.
I cannot install KMAIL as it is referred to as part of package KDEPIM,
and yet KDEPIM is not available through Debian?
In your second message:
I went to a regular terminal, not the shell root, and went superuser.
then, as per your suggestion, tried "apt-get install synaptic" and got back the message
that the synaptic package is not available but is referred by another package.
Another package not available from debian??
Any suggestions?
piper - 28.10.2006, 19:22 Uhr
Titel: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
I (IMHO) would stick to the 32 bit version
hey_ian - 28.10.2006, 19:49 Uhr
Titel: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
kdepim and all other packages are indeed available trough Debian. Debian is the one distro with the biggest package repo in the world! If your get the error that synaptic is refered by another package, so the synaptic pkg has only a different name in the repo. Try to use
Code:
apt-cache search synaptic
To search for the real package name. I would go with pipers suggestion and install the most recent version of Kanotix, 2006-01-RC4.
eco2geek - 28.10.2006, 21:15 Uhr
Titel: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
I have no idea if kmail is available in the 64-bit repositories (which made me reticent to reply to this thread), but using 32-bit, installing it is as simple as
apt-get update && apt-get install kmail
as root.
And installing the Synaptic package manager is highly recommended. It has a pretty good search function. If it's available in the 64-bit repos, that is...
slh - 28.10.2006, 21:42 Uhr
Titel: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
kmail just like almost any other free and open source package is available on amd64, only very few are missing (NX/ FreeNX).
jackiebrown - 28.10.2006, 22:53 Uhr
Titel: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
apt-get install kmail
John - 29.10.2006, 07:53 Uhr
Titel: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
@cotegr
if you're still using the 2005-04 it could be that the downloadsources have changed and that could be the cause, that you can't download anything. use the search-function to search for "sources.list" (i think this sentence is written in very very bad english 
)
you have to do apt-get update at least the first time you want to install anything so that apt-get will look what packages are available. then do apt-get install kmail
Kano - 29.10.2006, 15:09 Uhr
Titel: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
Better install:
apt-get install kdepim
cotegr - 01.11.2006, 01:31 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
John hat folgendes geschrieben::
@cotegr
if you're still using the 2005-04 it could be that the downloadsources have changed and that could be the cause, that you can't download anything. use the search-function to search for "sources.list" (i think this sentence is written in very very bad english
)
you have to do apt-get update at least the first time you want to install anything so that apt-get will look what packages are available. then do apt-get install kmail
Hi John,
Thanks for persisting with me.
I ran "apt-get update, then apt-get install and I get the message that the package is not found.
it seems this package is not yet available for "amd64" So, I'm using thunderbird for now until new packages come out, then I can import to Kmail.
I have no problem with downloading as I previously updated some small stuff using the KDE package manager.
So, I not giving up on AMD64 just yet. In the meantime, I'll try getting some help in town
from a friend who is familiar with Debian.
UPDATE:
When I run apt-get install synaptic in a root shell, it fetches from the address amd64.debian.net sid/Main Packages but responds with "synaptic not found"
If I try this address in a browser, there is no "sid" directory, therefore no synaptic.
But if I go in a browser to amd64.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/synaptic_0.55ecvs20050503-4_amd64.deb I find the synaptic package("is it the correct one"?) and have downloaded it to my desktop. How can I force apt-get to go to amd64.debian.net/debian or whatever
rather than incorrectly to amd64.debian.net sid- - - -.After checking the file "sources.list" in /etc/apt, I find it , the address, incorrectly entered, especially "sid".
Perhaps Piper, a team member on this forum can have a look at this error and pass on the corrections
Many thanks for all your input.
piper - 01.11.2006, 05:28 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
Hi cotegr
I don't use amd64, nor do I plan on it soon
Perhaps your source list is corrupt, in konsole type (as root, su or sux)
Code:
wget -O/etc/apt/sources.list http://kanotix.com/files/fix/sources.list
apt-get update
(might not hurt to fix your preferences)
Code:
wget -O/etc/apt/preferences http://kanotix.com/files/fix/preferences
apt-get update
To install the synaptic deb do
Code:
dpkg -i packagename.deb
There is a Debian Wiki here http://wiki.debian.org/?DebianAMD64
More about Synaptic here http://packages.debian.net/stable/synaptic
If still problems post back with any errors
jackiebrown - 01.11.2006, 14:23 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
It is your source list. AMD uses the vanilla Debian ones now. I run using that arch and use kmail as my email client.
cotegr - 02.11.2006, 01:34 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
piper hat folgendes geschrieben::
Hi cotegr
I don't use amd64, nor do I plan on it soon
Perhaps your source list is corrupt, in konsole type (as root, su or sux)
Code:
wget -O/etc/apt/sources.list http://kanotix.com/files/fix/sources.list
apt-get update
(might not hurt to fix your preferences)
Code:
wget -O/etc/apt/preferences http://kanotix.com/files/fix/preferences
apt-get update
To install the synaptic deb do
Code:
dpkg -i packagename.deb
There is a Debian Wiki here
http://wiki.debian.org/?DebianAMD64
More about Synaptic here
http://packages.debian.net/stable/synaptic
If still problems post back with any errors
Hi Piper,
I've done everything as per your suggestions and had two minor errors.
Since I'm fetching files remotely, I used apt (instead of dpkg) and successfully installed all deps and synaptic. And synaptic starts up OK.
This is much more encouraging. Lots of good help on the forum and
a chance to learn Debian!!
The errors are:(After the apt-get update)
W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F
And a similar message for the testing release.
I suppose I can disregard these errors as the sources.list is now FIXED
considering the install went well.
Thank you Piper for helping out. Ill get back to you after the attempt with Kmail.
Gilles
jackiebrown - 02.11.2006, 01:48 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
cotegr hat folgendes geschrieben::
I'll get back to you after the attempt with Kmail.
Just a warning - you are at least 6 month behind on upgrades and a lot has happened with KDE and xorg
cotegr - 02.11.2006, 02:21 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
jackiebrown hat folgendes geschrieben::
cotegr hat folgendes geschrieben::
I'll get back to you after the attempt with Kmail.
Just a warning - you are at least 6 month behind on upgrades and a lot has happened with KDE and xorg
Hi Jackie,
Thanks for your info.
I noticed on the mirror sites that there were many upgrades(for KDE)
to be done since the Kanotix amd64 package was made available.
Any suggestions or should I just work my way through it all.
I don't really need to have everything "bleeding edge",
just so long as it is stable.
Gilles
cotegr - 02.11.2006, 03:12 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
[quote="cotegr"]
piper hat folgendes geschrieben::
Hi cotegr
I don't use amd64, nor do I plan on it soon
Perhaps your source list is corrupt, in konsole type (as root, su or sux)
Code:
wget -O/etc/apt/sources.list http://kanotix.com/files/fix/sources.list
apt-get update
(might not hurt to fix your preferences)
Code:
wget -O/etc/apt/preferences http://kanotix.com/files/fix/preferences
apt-get update
To install the synaptic deb do
Code:
dpkg -i packagename.deb
There is a Debian Wiki here
http://wiki.debian.org/?DebianAMD64
More about Synaptic here
http://packages.debian.net/stable/synaptic
If still problems post back with any errors
Hi Piper,
I've done everything as per your suggestions and had two minor errors.
Since I'm fetching files remotely, I used apt (instead of dpkg) and successfully installed all deps and synaptic. And synaptic starts up OK.
This is much more encouraging. Lots of good help on the forum and
a chance to learn Debian!!
The errors are:(After the apt-get update)
W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F
And a similar message for the testing release.
I suppose I can disregard these errors as the sources.list is now FIXED
considering the install went well.
Thank you Piper for helping out. Ill get back to you after the attempt with Kmail.
Update:
I've just finished installing KDEPIM.
I tried initially with synaptic but it froze on me and I couldn't shut it down
unless I logged out. Then I retried with apt-get install and it was a successful install including importing my mail folder (copied over from a Knoppix installation). After some configuring it now works and just got some more mail.
So, again thanks you all especially Piper and John for your GREAT HELP!!
Gilles
jackiebrown - 02.11.2006, 05:12 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
cotegr hat folgendes geschrieben::
W: GPG error:
http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F
And a similar message for the testing release.
Install the debian-archive-keyring
There is a Kanotix one in there as well.
piper - 02.11.2006, 06:55 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
apt-get install kanotix-keyrings
apt-get update
The prefered way to install anything in Kanotix is using apt-get, synaptic is very useful for looking at whats inside the package itself. Using synaptic to upgrade your system or anything kde,xorg, etc....will break your system, yes, you can get lucky and get by a couple of times, (maybe more) but sooner or later it will bite you in the ass and b0rk your system !! Why chance it
cotegr - 02.11.2006, 15:47 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
[quote="cotegr"][quote="cotegr"]
piper hat folgendes geschrieben::
Hi cotegr
I don't use amd64, nor do I plan on it soon
Perhaps your source list is corrupt, in konsole type (as root, su or sux)
Code:
wget -O/etc/apt/sources.list http://kanotix.com/files/fix/sources.list
apt-get update
(might not hurt to fix your preferences)
Code:
wget -O/etc/apt/preferences http://kanotix.com/files/fix/preferences
apt-get update
To install the synaptic deb do
Code:
dpkg -i packagename.deb
There is a Debian Wiki here
http://wiki.debian.org/?DebianAMD64
More about Synaptic here
http://packages.debian.net/stable/synaptic
If still problems post back with any errors
Hi Piper,
I've done everything as per your suggestions and had two minor errors.
Since I'm fetching files remotely, I used apt (instead of dpkg) and successfully installed all deps and synaptic. And synaptic starts up OK.
This is much more encouraging. Lots of good help on the forum and
a chance to learn Debian!!
The errors are:(After the apt-get update)
W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F
And a similar message for the testing release.
I suppose I can disregard these errors as the sources.list is now FIXED
considering the install went well.
Thank you Piper for helping out. Ill get back to you after the attempt with Kmail.
Update:
I've just finished installing KDEPIM.
I tried initially with synaptic but it froze on me and I couldn't shut it down
unless I logged out. Then I retried with apt-get install and it was a successful install including importing my mail folder (copied over from a Knoppix installation). After some configuring it now works and just got some more mail.
So, again thanks you all especially Piper and John for your GREAT HELP!!
UPDATE:
A continuing saga with KMail.
Now, when I start Kmail I get the messages "could not find mime type application /octet-stream" and "No mime types installed".
When I initially started KMail after install'n, I was prompted to set up the server settings for receiving and sending mail and that went fine.
Later, in KMail, when I went to Settings, configure KMail, I got an empty page.
What gives?
piper - 02.11.2006, 17:52 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
Hi cotegr
Try going to kmenu > control center > kde components > file associations > applications (expand) if no entry for octet-stream > Click on Add > Group (choose applications) Type name > type in octet-stream That should do it, I don't use kmail so I have no idea about setting it up, but if you still have problems with it after the above fix, I will be more than happy to set it up and give my insight 
cotegr - 05.11.2006, 01:01 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
piper hat folgendes geschrieben::
Hi cotegr
Try going to
kmenu > control center > kde components > file associations > applications (expand) if no entry for octet-stream > Click on Add > Group (choose applications) Type name > type in octet-stream That should do it, I don't use kmail so I have no idea about setting it up, but if you still have problems with it after the above fix, I will be more than happy to set it up and give my insight
Hi Piper,
I followed your suggestions above, clicked on apply, shutdown the Control Center. Then, when I restarted Control Center, got the same message of missing octet-stream, looked in under application and IT's NOT THERE.
It seems we also have to associate it with an application in "Application Preference Order" on the right of the "File Associations" page.
I tried Kmail and other applications but the "octet-stream won't stay.
So, I'm having a look in http://developer.kde.org/documentation/ ... /mime.html
to try and make some sense of it.
If you can understand the problem and find the solution, please let me know as this is somewhat puzzling to me. I just hate to impose on you any more. You've been most helpful so far!!
piper - 05.11.2006, 19:36 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new install
Hi cotegr
Take a look at this
screenshot
after you add octet-stream click apply and close control center try a reboot If that don't work post back
You are not imposing on me at all, so nothing to worry about there at all
cotegr - 06.11.2006, 01:20 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new inst
[quote="piper"]Hi cotegr
Take a look at this
screenshot
after you add octet-stream click apply and close control center try a reboot If that don't work post back
Hi Piper,
I did have a look at your screenshot. It is same as mine but after I click apply, the screenshot changes( as shown in the attachment) to complete the next part of the file association. That's what I was alluding to in the previous posting.
My control center version is 3.4.3.
Also, I did add octet-stream, clicked apply, closed control center, tried a
reboot of control center and the add'n didn't stick(octet-stream is still missing). I also, did a reboot of the Kanotix OS and still the same problem.
As well, I managed to do a photo of my screenshot and you can see for yourself. I've included a copy as an attachment.
Cheers
Gilles
piper - 06.11.2006, 02:31 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new
Ok, try this, in known types, under message (same section where application is left panel) see if rfc822 exists, if not, in the right panel click add and type kmail if not there
piper - 06.11.2006, 02:35 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after new
another screenshot here
cotegr - 06.11.2006, 03:57 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after
piper hat folgendes geschrieben::
Ok, try this, in known types, under message (same section where application is left panel) see if rfc822 exists, if not, in the right panel click add and type kmail if not there
Hi Piper,
Under known types, in message, rfc822 was there and in the right panel,KMail was there as well. And, when I quit and restart control center, the mime message for octet-stream is still there.
Back to you
Gilles
cotegr - 07.11.2006, 03:21 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail after
cotegr hat folgendes geschrieben::
piper hat folgendes geschrieben::
Ok, try this, in known types, under message (same section where application is left panel) see if rfc822 exists, if not, in the right panel click add and type kmail if not there
Hi Piper,
Under known types, in message, rfc822 was there and in the right panel,KMail was there as well. And AS WELL AS, when I quit and restart control center, the mime message for octet-stream is still there.
Back to you
Gilles
Hi Piper,
I've got good news for you. After continuing my search with Google,
I found a posting which mentioned about the entry under application
of octet-stream AS WELL AS an entry with the same text "octet-stream" in the description box on the right and then click apply, reboot and Presto, the mime entry has stayed, is associated with Kdepim, Control center, and Kmail and the annoying message is GONE.
The posting is at: wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Couldn't_find_MIME_type_application/octet-stream
Thanks again for persisting.
Cheers
Gilles
piper - 07.11.2006, 15:15 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmail af
That's great news, glad you got it sorted 
cotegr - 07.11.2006, 21:49 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing Kmai
[quote="piper"]That's great news, glad you got it sorted [
Hi Piper,
Now that the missing mime is out of the way, I've been looking for the boot log messages to check on my system status.
I've looked in /var/log/messages (from suggestions in postings) but that's not it. Where should I look?
Gilles
piper - 07.11.2006, 23:54 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Missing
Some to look at
dmesg
/var/log/messages (boot.log boot.msg)
/var/log/maillog
/var/log/secure
/etc/syslogd.conf
/var/log/kdm
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