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Verfasst am: 16.10.2006, 12:08 Uhr
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Iceweasel and Iceape are still in development.
The person that builds them (Mike Hommey), is still building in their "old" names i.e. firefox and seamonkey, untill packaging and building options solidify.
The version of iceape I linked to, is very close to what is probably going to be in the repos in one or two weeks.
The reason I build them is that mozilla-suite is badly supported (enigmail for instance isn't available for it). For this version of Iceape, you can use the nightly from the enigmail site. It will work.
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Verfasst am: 16.10.2006, 14:56 Uhr
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HJH,
thx. I misunderstood the thing last night, thought they are already in Debian.
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Titel: RE: Gnuzilla & Iceweasel it is, apparently
Verfasst am: 16.10.2006, 16:33 Uhr
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Titel: RE: Gnuzilla & Iceweasel it is, apparently
Verfasst am: 16.10.2006, 17:05 Uhr
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Zitat:
Very interesting reading. Facts about Debian and Mozilla Firefox:
http://times.debian.net/1022-iceweasel
Thanks zulu9, very interesting read indeed.
I was quite surprised to read that Ubuntu aren't being affected by this; I naturally assumed they would being a Debian-based distro and all. |
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Verfasst am: 16.10.2006, 17:09 Uhr
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Titel: RE: Gnuzilla & Iceweasel it is, apparently
Verfasst am: 16.10.2006, 17:14 Uhr
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Just wait for IceSlam to show up in Debian sid ... 
Greetings,
Chris |
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Titel: Re: RE: Gnuzilla & Iceweasel it is, apparently
Verfasst am: 16.10.2006, 19:28 Uhr
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zulu9 hat folgendes geschrieben::
Very interesting reading. Facts about Debian and Mozilla Firefox:
Good links zulu9 and confirms my developing impression that Mozilla may be open source but is not too bothered about Linux or any other OS other than Windows. From the blogs linked and others I have read seems like Mozilla are spreading a few porkies about the real situation with Debian. Even Ian Murdock was having a rant, you would think he would know better  |
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: Gnuzilla & Iceweasel it is, apparently
Verfasst am: 17.10.2006, 01:22 Uhr
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| Jeez...wish this silly hoo-ha would just end... |
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Verfasst am: 17.10.2006, 11:09 Uhr
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| At least the Iceweasel icon will look better with the blue color scheme of Kanotix 2006. It's all for our benefit of course, secretly everybody wants to be kanotix. |
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Verfasst am: 18.10.2006, 01:26 Uhr
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| Huh...this whole issue is making me think about other browsers and email clients! |
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Verfasst am: 18.10.2006, 13:52 Uhr
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Dum question, but do we have to apt-get install iceweasel or will firefox magically turn into iceweasel on dist-upgrades? I noticed the icon changed already to a nice blue globe  |
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Verfasst am: 18.10.2006, 14:21 Uhr
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Zitat:
Dum question, but do we have to apt-get install iceweasel or will firefox magically turn into iceweasel on dist-upgrades? I noticed the icon changed already to a nice blue globe
I'm assuming that just as Thunderbird became Icedove with a d-u, Firefox will become Iceweasel in the same fashion. |
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Verfasst am: 18.10.2006, 19:11 Uhr
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Hmmm, just upgraded my Thunderbird or should it be *censored* now
I decided to click the button promising to take me to the Icedove homepage, unfortunately it seems to mistakenly take me to the Mozilla site advocating Thunderbird!
Oh dear....
Is it only me or is this all slightly ammusing.
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Verfasst am: 18.10.2006, 22:38 Uhr
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Poor me, I'm missing all the fun  I purged FF and TB when I installed and then downloaded them from Mozilla. No strange creatures trolling my Kanotix. |
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Verfasst am: 19.10.2006, 01:37 Uhr
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The debian verson has some patches to make it work better in debian than the one from mozilla. One of the gripes between mozilla and debian was about the patches that debian feed back. Mozilla claimed (and debian disputed) that debian fed too many patches back too close to the release date.
Mozilla Firefox is really aimed at Windows users and now that they are making squillions from their search engine and becoming a tax paying corporation this will become more so. It is good to have debian test it first before it goes on your machine.
Personally I feel safer using the version that debian has scrutinised and cleared. If that means calling it iceweasel then so be it.
(I've been using opera more these days anyway. In back to back tests it's been wiping the floor with FF. Now if I can find adblock for opera I'll be set ) |
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Verfasst am: 19.10.2006, 02:59 Uhr
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Cathbard, wouldn't running privoxy with Opera solve your problem?
I've used Konqueror as my browser for years and privoxy is one of a handful of programmes I've added to whichever distro I've used, immediately after installation (and about the same time that I configure Konqueror to accept all cookies, while replacing my cookie file with a symbolic link to /dev/null). |
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Verfasst am: 19.10.2006, 07:14 Uhr
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Verfasst am: 19.10.2006, 08:12 Uhr
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Cathbard, to use privoxy, open konqueror, go Settings >Configure >Proxy. Then "Manually specify..." and for HTTP, insert http://127.0.0.1 and change 8080 to 8118.
You may have to do "/etc/init.d/privoxy start", if it's not already running.
You can alter the default settings further, but I've never bothered. |
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Verfasst am: 19.10.2006, 11:20 Uhr
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I have it working on Opera, FF and Iceweasel as well as konqueror and it seems to be working fine.  I was mainly talking about fine tuning it but if defaults work then all the better. So far so good. |
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Verfasst am: 05.11.2006, 05:41 Uhr
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Both Mozilla and Debian would be wise to consider the past. Software is like a river, calmly and gently winding by. After a time the river bed becomes clogged with silt. Suddenly, the river will change course, abandoning it's old route and find a more efficient path. Microsoft became the river-bed silt, which opened up opportunities for *NIX's and open source. People became dissatisfied and created new ways for people to get where they wanted to go.
Rivers can tolerate some twists and turns. But if either Mozilla or Debian let's their internal politics interfere with what the river wants, eventually the river will go around them.
The re-nameing of Firefox makes both Mozilla and Debian look like fools and does great harm to the open source movement.
Let's all go to work and campaign to install "IceWeasel" on the corporate desktops. No thanks. |
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Verfasst am: 05.11.2006, 06:01 Uhr
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bobdawn hat folgendes geschrieben::
I've used Konqueror as my browser for years and privoxy is one of a handful of programmes I've added
Thanks for that tip |
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Verfasst am: 05.11.2006, 16:30 Uhr
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Now might be a good time to try Swiftfox.
It comes in .deb flavor and the name Swiftfox is very accurate. I doubt that I'll be installing Firefox/Iceweasel (whatever) ever again. |
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Kind of nice.
Seems they gain some speed by disabling anti-aliasing.
Or maybe I broke it? I'll keep it running for a while to see.
It does seem more peppy than the old Firefox.
Edit: It is definitely faster. Seems a worthwhile change.
Wonder if it will ever make it into Sid? |
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